Part two of Chris Date’s discussion with Edward Fudge, author of The Fire That Consumes, who shares his story and talks about the recent movie that tells it, and about his latest and final book on the topic of final punishment, Hell: A Final Word. Also, we share the first installment of a segment telling the story of formerly convinced traditionalists who are now rethinking hell.
Promoted Resources
- Hell: A Final Word, by Edward Fudge. Also available on Kindle.
- The third edition of Fudge’s The Fire That Consumes, also available on Kindle.
- “Hell and Mr. Fudge,” the recent movie telling his story.
- Edward Fudge’s website.
Additional Links
- “How I Became a Conditionalist,” by John Roller (https://rethinkinghell.com/audio/John-Roller-How-I-Became-a-Conditionalist.mp3)
Podcast Outline
- 00:46
- Welcome
- 01:30
- Episode 1 recap
- 01:52
- Intro to episode 2
- 02:05
- Start of Episode 2
- 02:15
- Surprises that convinced Edawrd of Conditionalism
- 03:15
- Edward Responds
- 03:53
- Surprise #1: Conscious torment never pictured, but death
- 06:00
- What a relief! The words mean what they say!
- 06:38
- What a relief! The character of God remains intact
- 06:50
- Personal Struggle (Ch. 45 of book)
- 07:10
- Edward responds
- 10:05
- Ch. 50: The Evangelical climate and a prediction about the future
- 10:20
- Edward responds
- 13:31
- Where is the debate headed? A new “traditional” view?
- 13:46
- Edward Responds
- 14:20
- Official view of the Church of England
- 15:47
- Stackhouse mentioned (not by name, but as successor to Packer
- also unnamed)
- 16:12
- Universalism the new debate that will be taken up
- 16:50
- Diversity within Conditionalism
- 17:15
- Edward Responds
- 18:26
- Soteriology no impact on this view, unless devotion to creed demands it
- 19:00
- annonymous example given where creedal commitment prevents a change of heart
- 20:38
- Closing Question: Ch. 2
- Edward had to share what he had found
- 21:40
- What’s the best the opposition has to offer?
- 21:50
- Edward Responds
- 25:33
- Edward mentions Hell Under Fire (without naming it) as currently the best available
- 26:51
- What encouragement for those feaful of fallout?
- 27:05
- Edward: Biblical language at face value (no need to explain away plain wiords)
- 30:19
- Last Question: What final word for those who aspire to carry the torch?
- 32:05
- Edward’s story (had no idea the impact book would have, just committed work to God)
- 33:25
- Being faitfhul with what we’ve been given the main point
- 34:00
- Chris closes/transitions to Conditionalism Conversion story
- 35:08
- John Roller’s story of conversion from traditionallism to conditionalism
- 44:53
- Chris wraps up
- 45:16
- Outro music
4 thoughts on “Episode 2: A Final Word With Edward Fudge (Part 2)”
People who believe in evolution may as well be atheists!?!? Really?!?!
I would think that people who hold to annihilationism / conditionalism would be more sensitive to others who have different views within the confines of orthodox Christianity than themselves. After all, they are quick to take offense when other evangelicals claim that their beliefs are heretical.
Can you point me to where in the recording that’s said, and by whom? I don’t recall Edward or me saying something like that.
It was John Roller during his testimony.
I can give you a time if you would like.
On a side note, I really like the podcast even if I may as well be an atheist. j/k
Gotcha. For the record, John Roller isn’t a part of the Rethinking Hell team, and his statements should not be considered representative of the views of us at Rethinking Hell.
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