YouTube apologists Adam Zens, and his 15-year old daughter Melanie, join Rethinking Hell contributor Chris Date to discuss raising critical thinkers, and how to respectfully disagree with one’s family over the nature of hell.
The Zenses Online
- Adam Zens’ YouTube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/TheisticScuffles
- Melanie Zens’ YouTube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/IndefatigableTheist
- Melanie also does voices for cartoons at: http://www.youtube.com/user/tektontv
- Melanie also participated in a written debate over Christianity versus Islam here.
- Adam’s and Melanie’s annihilationism debate videos:
- Melanie’s pro-annihilationism opening video
- Adam’s pro-traditionalism opening video
- Rebuttals video
- Audience questions video
- Adam’s closing video
- Melanie’s closing video
- RH articles mentioned during the interview
13 thoughts on “Episode 16: The Family that Debates (Hell) Together, with Adam and Melanie Zens”
Great interview! Nice to hear about home-schooling and seeing your kids challenge your belief system. Could you please make the convo on whether annihilationism/traditional view fits better with systematic theology public?
Just wanted to add a link mentioned in the show:
“Punishment” and the Polysemy of Deverbal Nouns
https://rethinkinghell.com/2012/06/eternal-punishment-and-the-polysemy-of-deverbal-nouns/
Chris – could you please post the other links to the article on “annihilated” –> “resurrection” –> “annhilated again”?
Also, is there a link to the debate between Adam & Melanie?
Actually, Roy, I had the same thought of posting that link for our debate. We have several links but I will try to ferret them out.
Sorry guys, forgot about those links. Will add them.
OK I’ve updated the above show notes with the links. Just to be clear, annihilationists would not say the wicked are “annihilated” at the first death, so it’s not annihilated –> resurrected –> annihilated, it’s temporarily destroyed –> resurrected –> permanently destroyed.
Think that’s the language Adam used, so was quoting him, but thanks for the clarification.
Where can I find the conversation in which view fits better with systematic theology?
Hey Mario! I don’t think there is such a conversation out there, at least not that I was referring to. It’s a conversation that needs to happen, though.
Actually, I was trying to be helpful – but maybe that wasn’t the link you had in mind Chris.
The following are two links to our opening statements on the Eternal Hellfire/Annihilationism debate. I believe that you should be able to navigate around to discover the responses/rebuttals and closing statements from these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgDTPrS6QhQ&feature=share&list=UUzHnWKmnJKweeKZm0u_d7CA
http://youtu.be/flMkPUbYz8U
Roy/Adam, I’ve updated the show notes with those links. Can you confirm?
Cheers Chris. The other ones that may be worth also including is the ones on complementarianism (although not directly related, they were referred to) – particularly as “Chris Date” in Google turns up a database guru.
This was another great podcast. What an amazing young lady. Her YOUTUBE on annihilationism is a must see for conditionalists who want to help young people see this issue more clearly. Thanks Chris, Alan and Melanie
Melanie and I (thanks to my severe procrastination) now have about 2/3 of our gender egalitarianism debate up on YT. However, we seek more questions, particularly challenging to the complementarian view (more from an egalitarian perspective).
Here they are (in order, I hope):
http://youtu.be/3rXBJsWJGE0
http://youtu.be/ozIymYR4Ufk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAnf5R5eLQI&feature=share&list=UU2VF78wR9_G5_k3MFbhQVFg
http://youtu.be/6yiXkH18l8g
Thanks in advance!–AZ