Note: This article is part of a series. Part 1 established Irenaeus’s systematic theology as supportive of Conditional Immortality. Part 2 below addresses modern scholars and critics of this view and their interpretations of Irenaeus. Part 3 will explore how Irenaeus fits into the theological life of the church in its historical unfolding. You can also view the entire article in PDF here.
The previous sections established Irenaeus’s theology as supporting conditional immortality, presenting it not as an isolated concept but as a consistent framework within his systematic theology. This part addresses modern interpretations of Irenaeus, focusing on how contemporary scholars engage with his writings and their implications for the doctrine of final punishment.
Of particular interest are critiques of Chris Date’s interpretation of Against Heresies. These critiques propose alternative readings that align Irenaeus with the traditional doctrine of eternal torment. By examining these arguments and the texts they reference, this section seeks to clarify Irenaeus’s actual position and its theological coherence.
Direct Engagement: Shepherd
One such critique comes from Jerry Shepherd, who challenges Date’s interpretation of Against Heresies 2.34.3. Shepherd contends that Irenaeus contrasts immortality as life in God’s presence with a “merely sensate existence” for the unsaved in eternal punishment, a teaching he attributes to Justin Martyr’s influence. This raises two key questions: Does Irenaeus’s text support Shepherd’s interpretation? And how does Irenaeus’s theology compare with the views of Justin Martyr and others who explicitly affirmed eternal torment?
This section focuses on the first question by examining the cited text, leaving the comparison with Justin Martyr and his students to the next section. Shepherd’s claim appears untenable when assessed against Against Heresies 2.34.3, which makes no reference to closeness with God or positive experiences in His presence. Instead, it addresses the duration of existence. To ensure a thorough analysis, consider Irenaeus’s exact language (emphasis added):
For as the heaven which is above us, the firmament, the sun, the moon, the rest of the stars, and all their grandeur, although they had no previous existence, were called into being, and continue throughout a long course of time according to the will of God, so also any one who thinks thus respecting souls and spirits, and, in fact, respecting all created things, will not by any means go far astray, inasmuch as all things that have been made had a beginning when they were formed, but endure as long as God wills that they should have an existence and continuance.
At the outset, Irenaeus compares “souls and spirits” to inanimate objects such as “the sun, the moon, and the rest of the stars.” He asserts that both have a beginning and endure only “as long as God wills that they should have an existence and continuance.” This comparison makes no mention of divine favor or relational closeness with God. Instead, it establishes a foundational point: the sheer fact of existence, and any extension of it in time, is contingent upon God’s will.
This reasoning aligns with the broader context of Against Heresies (see the discussion of Against Heresies 2.33.5 in the previous section) where Irenaeus argues that the number of people present at the judgment will equal the total number begotten throughout human history. Souls, like the moon and stars, continue in existence, in their case because God wills their presence for the purpose of being gathered together at the final judgment. Thus, the continuance being described relates solely to existence, not to life in the sense of divine blessing or communion with God.
Irenaeus further elaborates in Against Heresies 2.34.4:
When God therefore bestows life and perpetual duration, it comes to pass that even souls which did not previously exist should henceforth endure [for ever], since God has both willed that they should exist, and should continue in existence.
So Irenaeus explicitly qualifies this claim: continued existence forever applies only to souls on whom God has conferred both life and perpetual duration. Souls granted life but not perpetual duration are excluded from this category; and indeed the translator has inserted the bracketed phrase “[for ever]” here exclusively because of the context affirming that condition. Furthermore, in the preceding paragraph, Irenaeus says that the ungrateful person does not receive continuance to length of days forever, providing a concrete example of souls with life but not perpetual duration.
Shepherd does not directly present additional arguments, but he cites three passages that he believes contradict the conditionalist interpretation of Irenaeus. All these passages argue that the soul is not mortal; for the sake of brevity, this response will address one representative example. In Against Heresies 5.7.1, Irenaeus states:
Now the breath of life is an incorporeal thing. And certainly they cannot maintain that the very breath of life is mortal. Therefore David says, “My soul also shall live to Him,” just as if its substance were immortal. Neither, on the other hand, can they say that the spirit is the mortal body. What therefore is there left to which we may apply the term “mortal body,” unless it be the thing that was moulded, that is, the flesh, of which it is also said that God will vivify it? For this it is which dies and is decomposed, but not the soul or the spirit. For to die is to lose vital power, and to become henceforth breathless, inanimate, and devoid of motion, and to melt away into those [component parts] from which also it derived the commencement of [its] substance. But this event happens neither to the soul, for it is the breath of life; nor to the spirit, for the spirit is simple and not composite, so that it cannot be decomposed, and is itself the life of those who receive it.
This passage explicitly denies the mortality of the soul, a stance that contrasts with modern conditionalist emphases. However, the difference arises largely from the nuanced way early Christians spoke about mortality. For instance, Theophilus of Antioch describes Adam as “neither … immortal nor yet mortal … but capable of both,” reflecting a view in which “mortal” means strictly the inevitability of death, not mere possibility. Similarly, Irenaeus’s affirmation that the soul survives bodily death to experience the intermediate state suggests that for the saved, the soul will never die, and for the unsaved it will not die until the Judgment (Against Heresies 2.34.1). By this nuanced definition, the soul is not “mortal” because it is not certain to die, though neither is it immortal.
Even without this nuance, Irenaeus’s statement here does not contradict his earlier claim that “the soul herself is not life, but partakes in that life bestowed upon her” (Against Heresies 2.34.4). Instead, both reflect his broader effort to refute Gnostic claims and defend the immortality of the flesh granted by God. In Irenaeus’s anthropology, the body is corruptible, while the soul is incorruptible but still dependent on something else for its life. The soul’s participation in eternal life is not by transformation, as the body requires, but by union with the Holy Spirit and the immortal body. Thus, while the soul does not necessarily die, Irenaeus denies that every soul will live forever.
Irenaeus’s definition of “to die” in this passage centers on the loss of vital power, while the subsequent descriptions — becoming breathless, inanimate, and decomposing — he discusses in light of his topic, the body. His statement that the body “dies and is decomposed” clarifies this distinction; decomposition follows death but is not an intrinsic part of dying. Unlike the body, the soul and spirit can not decompose, but the soul can become inanimate due to its life being temporal, and both soul and spirit can be denied continuance in existence. However, when the soul loses its life, when the temporal breath of life runs out of time, it also loses its ability to sustain personal identity and human personhood. This aligns with Irenaeus’s broader teaching that all created things including soul and spirit depend on God’s will for continuance.
Direct Engagement: Alvarado
George Alvarado has written a series of responses to Rethinking Hell, two of which engage directly with Chris Date’s article on Irenaeus. In his first response, Alvarado alleges that Date and Rethinking Hell “conveniently only quote (out of context) parts of” Irenaeus’s chapter while ignoring other relevant material. His proposed solution is to paste the entire chapter into his article, apparently to provide the fuller context. Alvarado claims that in the quoted section, “Irenaeus is simply stating that he believes that the soul can go on forever, and that it does not have to die with the body.”
Irenaeus and his opponents both accept the soul’s survival after bodily death as an axiom, using it as a foundation for their respective arguments. Therefore, the primary focus of the passage does not lie in the claim “that it does not die with the body.” And conditionalists agree that the soul can live on forever (that is, as a possibility, specifically limited to the saved), so neither is that a response. Alvarado’s analysis notably omits the more critical statement from a later paragraph of the same chapter, quoted by Date, where Irenaeus states “concerning the salvation of man” that the grateful will be given life forever, while the ungrateful will be deprived of continuance. It should require no further explanation that a statement made “concerning the salvation of man” is directly relevant to the final fate of humanity. Moreover, the assertion that the ungrateful are deprived of continuance has nothing to do with the soul’s survival after bodily death. When all of those are put together, it follows that Irenaeus’s disagreement with the reincarnationists is that the salvation of man does not imply cycles of rebirth until the soul reaches eternity, but rather implies God giving man eternity through immortality of the body and continued existence of the soul forever — or not.
On the webpage hosting Alvarado’s essay (linked above), a commenter raises this point with a detailed argument. Alvarado dismisses the critique by directing the commenter to a later essay that neither quotes Date nor addresses Irenaeus’s statement about the ungrateful being deprived of continuance. Instead, this essay simply asserts, after referencing other passages, “What else are we to assert? That the body and soul will experience an eternal punishment that is not annihilation!” This approach is fundamentally circular, as it assumes the conclusion — that eternal punishment excludes annihilation — without engaging with the specific passage that challenges this interpretation. Notably, Date’s article is titled “Deprived of Continuance,” underscoring the importance of this phrase to his interpretation of Irenaeus. Given that Alvarado’s primary critique of Date hinges on the claim that “Chris only quotes pieces of the Irenaeus’ work” [sic], it is a material omission that Alvarado fails to address the passage Date highlights as central to his argument.
In his second article addressing Chris Date’s interpretation of Irenaeus, George Alvarado critiques Date’s claims by closely analyzing Irenaeus’s language in Against Heresies 4.39–40. Alvarado draws particular attention to Irenaeus describing final punishment as a place, citing the following passage:
Submission to God is eternal rest, so that they who shun the light have a place worthy of their flight; and those who fly from eternal rest, have a habitation in accordance with their fleeing.
Alvarado highlights the terminology of “place” and “habitation,” and further underscores words such as “inhabiting” and “abode” in another quote from the same passage:
So those who fly from the eternal light of God, which contains in itself all good things, are themselves the cause to themselves of their inhabiting eternal darkness, destitute of all good things, having become to themselves the cause of [their consignment to] an abode of that nature.
In these chapters, Irenaeus explicitly connects this place to the “furnace of fire” (referencing the final judgment described in Matthew 13) and the “outer darkness,” making it clear that he is addressing the final judgment rather than a temporary intermediate state. Alvarado’s argument is thus well rooted in the observation that a place described as eternal, in which individuals inhabit, dwell, and abide, implies the co-eternity of its inhabitants with that place. This challenge is a reasonable one, and its premises are true.
But an equally reasonable counterclaim emerges: the passage is deeply metaphorical, employing imagery such as “light” to represent the presence of God’s goodness and “darkness” to signify its absence. The terms “habitation” and “abode” align with this metaphorical framework, symbolizing the final state caused by separation from God, that is, destitution of all good things. Crucially, Irenaeus elsewhere identifies continuance in life and existence as among the good things bestowed by God, implying that the loss of all good things includes the loss of life itself.
To support the claim that this language is metaphorical, it is necessary to examine the immediate context. In Against Heresies 4.38.1, Irenaeus begins an extended metaphor comparing humanity to infants who cannot yet consume strong food or endure bright light. This metaphor underscores the transformative role of partaking in God’s likeness to attain immortality. He writes:
[the Lord] came to us, not as He might have come, but as we were capable of beholding Him. He might easily have come to us in His immortal glory, but in that case we could never have endured the greatness of the glory; and therefore it was that He, who was the perfect bread of the Father, offered Himself to us as milk, [because we were] as infants. He did this when He appeared as a man, that we, being nourished, as it were, from the breast of His flesh, and having, by such a course of milk nourishment, become accustomed to eat and drink the Word of God, may be able also to contain in ourselves the Bread of immortality, which is the Spirit of the Father.
Here, the “bread of immortality” is clearly identified as the Holy Spirit, not literal bread or even the Eucharist, reinforcing the metaphorical framework. In the next paragraph, which concludes 4.38, Irenaeus transitions to a more direct teaching:
For these, [the dumb animals], bring no charge against God for not having made them men; but each one, just as he has been created, gives thanks that he has been created. For we cast blame upon Him, because we have not been made gods from the beginning, but at first merely men, then at length gods; although God has adopted this course out of His pure benevolence, that no one may impute to Him invidiousness or grudgingness. He declares, ‘I have said, Ye are gods; and ye are all sons of the Highest.’ But since we could not sustain the power of divinity, He adds, ‘But ye shall die like men.’”
To ensure there is no misunderstanding, Irenaeus explains this progression with straightforward seriousness:
For it was necessary, at first, that nature should be exhibited; then, after that, that what was mortal should be conquered and swallowed up by immortality, and the corruptible by incorruptibility, and that man should be made after the image and likeness of God, having received the knowledge of good and evil.
This chapter consistently conveys the same message found throughout Irenaeus’s writings: not a description of two separate places for humanity, nor a fate of mere separation plus survival, but rather two distinct outcomes: in one, those who submit to God are drawn into His likeness and attain immortality. In the other, those who rebel against God, unable to bear His sight, cannot even see His likeness (cf. 1 John 3:2; Colossians 3:3–4). Lacking the capacity to partake in God’s eternal nature, they remain temporal and eventually cease to live.
Irenaeus reinforces this message in Against Heresies 4.39.4, where he explains:
[God] prepared fit habitations for both, kindly conferring that light which they desire on those who seek after the light of incorruption, and resort to it; but for the despisers and mockers who avoid and turn themselves away from this light, and who do, as it were, blind themselves, He has prepared darkness suitable to persons who oppose the light…
Here, Irenaeus explicitly identifies the metaphorical “light” as “the light of incorruption,” granted to those who seek it. By contrast, the “darkness” prepared for those whose turning from God’s gentle revelation in the flesh of Jesus is (in a simile, “as it were”) blinding themselves, must correspond to mortality, corruption, and death. Mortality and death, therefore, are the literal realities underlying the metaphorical “abode” described earlier.
This interpretation aligns with similar biblical imagery, such as the “eternal home” in Ecclesiastes 12:5. Furthermore, it encompasses all the consequences of rebellion against God, portraying the abode of darkness as a place not for life but for its absence — a permanent reminder of judgment, much like Hinnom in Jeremiah 31:40, which serves as an eternal memorial named “the valley of corpses and ashes.”
Turning to Against Heresies 4.28.2, Alvarado observes Irenaeus stating that the punishments revealed in the New Testament are “not only temporal, but rendered eternal.” In the same second article, Alvarado interprets this passage to conclude: “Irenaeus semantically links the ideas of punishment, eternity of the fire, the wrath of God, and the increased and enduring nature of the punishment as greater and more enduring than the kinds that were given to cities like Sodom and Gomorrah.”
In fact, the passage Alvarado references does not compare the eternal punishment to Sodom’s past punishment by fire from heaven. Rather his use in Against Heresies 4.28.1 is: “It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrah in the judgment than for that city which did not receive the word of His disciples.” Alvarado misreads this comparison, construing it as a contrast between Sodom’s temporal destruction and the rebels’ eternal punishment. But Irenaeus is comparing the relative severity of punishments experienced during the future day of judgment — a “day” being a finite event — with no mention of either eternal punishment or Sodom’s historical destruction.
Although Alvarado’s interpretation is thus disqualified, the question remains: What does Irenaeus mean by stating that the punishments are “not merely temporal but rendered eternal”? To answer this, a closer examination of the passage in Against Heresies 4.28.2 is necessary:
…we are directed not merely to abstain from evil actions, but even from evil thoughts, and from idle words, and empty talk, and scurrilous-language: thus also the punishment of those who do not believe the Word of God, and despise His advent, and are turned away backwards, is increased; being not merely temporal, but rendered also eternal. For to whomsoever the Lord shall say, “Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire,” these shall be damned for ever…
Having ruled out the possibility that the temporal punishment referenced here pertains to Sodom’s temporal destruction, it remains to determine what Irenaeus intended by comparing “those who despise His advent” with others who experienced lesser and temporal punishment. To find the answer, one must turn to the preceding chapter, Against Heresies 4.27, which contextualizes the contrast.
In Against Heresies 4.27.1, Irenaeus enumerates the past judgments of God against figures such as David and Solomon. He states: “the punishment [declared] in Scripture was sufficient for the ancients in regard to what they did without the Spirit’s guidance.” He concludes: “The Scripture has thus sufficiently reproved him, as the presbyter remarked, in order that no flesh may glory in the sight of the Lord.”
In Against Heresies 4.27.2, Irenaeus elaborates further:
And it is for our instruction that their actions have been committed to writing, that we might know, in the first place, that our God and theirs is one, and that sins do not please Him although committed by men of renown; and in the second place, that we should keep from wickedness. For if these men of old time, who preceded us in the gifts [bestowed upon them], and for whom the Son of God had not yet suffered, when they committed any sin and served fleshly lusts, were rendered objects of such disgrace, what shall the men of the present day suffer, who have despised the Lord’s coming, and become the slaves of their own lusts?
Here, Irenaeus contrasts two categories of sinners. The first includes David, Solomon, and other saints of old whose sins were punished lightly because they lived before the Spirit was given and before Christ’s advent. Their punishments were temporal: they were addressed directly by God, shamed in His presence, and their sins recorded in Scripture for posterity. Yet, Irenaeus sees their sins as overlooked, as evidenced by Irenaeus’s reference to Christ’s descent into Hades: “It was for this reason [the repentance and forgiveness of David and Solomon mentioned immediately previously], too, that the Lord descended into the regions beneath the earth, preaching His advent there also, and [declaring] the remission of sins received by those who believe in Him” (Against Heresies 4.27.2).
The second category comprises those who have encountered Christ, received the Spirit, and then turned away. For these individuals, Irenaeus argues, there will be no second chance. Their punishment is eternal because they have rejected the ultimate revelation of God and the gifts of the Spirit. Irenaeus underscores this by stating, “Christ shall not die again in behalf of those who now commit sin, for death shall no more have dominion over Him” (Against Heresies 4.27.2).
Irenaeus repeats the same teaching that the difference is the possibility of pardon in Demonstration of The Apostolic Teaching 56:
How much better that we had been burned with fire before the Son of God was born, than that, when He was born, we should not have believed on Him. Because for those who died before Christ appeared there is hope that in the judgment of the risen they may obtain salvation, even such as feared God and died in righteousness and had in them the Spirit of God, as the patriarchs and prophets and righteous men. But for those who after Christ’s appearing believed not on Him, there is a vengeance without pardon in the judgment.
This interpretation is further confirmed by Irenaeus’s comparison of the punishments of Old and New Testament apostates—those who canonically did not repent—and his conclusion that these punishments are equal. For Irenaeus, this equivalence demonstrates the continuity of divine justice across the Testaments and refutes the Gnostic claim of a dichotomy between the Old Testament God and the Father of Jesus. In Against Heresies 4.27.4, he provides a list of equal punishments:
As then the unrighteous, the idolaters, and fornicators perished, so also is it now: … And just as then, those who led vicious lives, and put other people astray, were condemned and cast out, so also even now the offending eye is plucked out, and the foot and the hand, lest the rest of the body perish in like manner.
Irenaeus connects these judgments directly to New Testament rebels, observing that the justice meted out in both Testaments is consistent. He extends this parallel in Against Heresies 4.24.2, explicitly linking the punishment of heresy and rebellion:
And the heretics, indeed, who bring strange fire to the altar of God—namely, strange doctrines—shall be burned up by the fire from heaven, as were Nadab and Abiud. But such as rise up in opposition to the truth, and exhort others against the Church of God, remain among those under the world, being swallowed up by an earthquake, even as those who were with Chore [Korah], Dathan, and Abiron. But those who cleave asunder, and separate the unity of the Church, receive from God the same punishment as Jeroboam did.
These examples—from Nadab and Abihu to Korah, Dathan, and Jeroboam—all culminate in death as the penalty for rebellion. Even in cases where the punishment seems less explicit, such as Numbers 16:33, where the earth swallows Korah’s rebellion and they “descend to Sheol alive,” the text confirms this as a penalty of death: “they perished from among the assembly.” This point is reiterated when Numbers 16:38 refers to the entire rebellion’s outcome as occurring “at the cost of their lives,” and the punishment of Jeroboam is summarized in 1 Kings 14:10 and 15:29 as the total destruction of his household. Irenaeus applies this equivalence directly to New Testament rebels, asserting that their punishment remains the same. This equality holds even though the old rebels “only” died: therefore it is not dying that makes a punishment temporal, but rather it is being forgiven.
By making this argument, Irenaeus addresses two key Gnostic claims. First, he refutes the notion of two separate deities — one harsher, the other kinder — by demonstrating that the same God enacts the same judgments across both Testaments. Second, he establishes that the punishments of New Testament rebels are actually greater than those of Old Testament figures such as David and Solomon, not because the Old Testament figures only died, but rather because they were forgiven after their punishment. Together, these points dismantle the Gnostic claim that the Old Testament God is less kind than the Father of Jesus.
Moreover, Irenaeus’s argument relies on the principle that the punishment for unrepentant sin is consistent between the covenants. This is exemplified in Against Heresies 4.20.8, where he states: “Moses declared that God was indeed a consuming fire to the people that transgressed the law, and threatened that God would bring upon them a day of fire.” This argument for equality in divine justice cannot be reconciled with Alvarado’s interpretation, which allows only inequality; but it fits conditional immortality perfectly. In a very real sense, the divine sentence of death read out at the Day of Judgment remands the whole person to the death they already died, while the divine verdict that declares the penitent sinner “righteous” formally repeals the previous event of death.
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Note: This article is part of a series. Part 1 established Irenaeus’s systematic theology as supportive of Conditional Immortality. Part 2 above addressed modern scholars and critics of this view and their interpretations of Irenaeus. Part 3 will explore how Irenaeus fits into the theological life of the church in its historical unfolding.
Irenaeus and Continuance (Part 2): In the Spirit of Discussion
Note: This article is part of a series. Part 1 established Irenaeus’s systematic theology as supportive of Conditional Immortality. Part 2 below addresses modern scholars and critics of this view and their interpretations of Irenaeus. Part 3 will explore how Irenaeus fits into the theological life of the church in its historical unfolding. You can also view the entire article in PDF here.
The previous sections established Irenaeus’s theology as supporting conditional immortality, presenting it not as an isolated concept but as a consistent framework within his systematic theology. This part addresses modern interpretations of Irenaeus, focusing on how contemporary scholars engage with his writings and their implications for the doctrine of final punishment.
Of particular interest are critiques of Chris Date’s interpretation of Against Heresies. These critiques propose alternative readings that align Irenaeus with the traditional doctrine of eternal torment. By examining these arguments and the texts they reference, this section seeks to clarify Irenaeus’s actual position and its theological coherence.
Direct Engagement: Shepherd
One such critique comes from Jerry Shepherd, who challenges Date’s interpretation of Against Heresies 2.34.3. Shepherd contends that Irenaeus contrasts immortality as life in God’s presence with a “merely sensate existence” for the unsaved in eternal punishment, a teaching he attributes to Justin Martyr’s influence. This raises two key questions: Does Irenaeus’s text support Shepherd’s interpretation? And how does Irenaeus’s theology compare with the views of Justin Martyr and others who explicitly affirmed eternal torment?
This section focuses on the first question by examining the cited text, leaving the comparison with Justin Martyr and his students to the next section. Shepherd’s claim appears untenable when assessed against Against Heresies 2.34.3, which makes no reference to closeness with God or positive experiences in His presence. Instead, it addresses the duration of existence. To ensure a thorough analysis, consider Irenaeus’s exact language (emphasis added):
For as the heaven which is above us, the firmament, the sun, the moon, the rest of the stars, and all their grandeur, although they had no previous existence, were called into being, and continue throughout a long course of time according to the will of God, so also any one who thinks thus respecting souls and spirits, and, in fact, respecting all created things, will not by any means go far astray, inasmuch as all things that have been made had a beginning when they were formed, but endure as long as God wills that they should have an existence and continuance.
At the outset, Irenaeus compares “souls and spirits” to inanimate objects such as “the sun, the moon, and the rest of the stars.” He asserts that both have a beginning and endure only “as long as God wills that they should have an existence and continuance.” This comparison makes no mention of divine favor or relational closeness with God. Instead, it establishes a foundational point: the sheer fact of existence, and any extension of it in time, is contingent upon God’s will.
This reasoning aligns with the broader context of Against Heresies (see the discussion of Against Heresies 2.33.5 in the previous section) where Irenaeus argues that the number of people present at the judgment will equal the total number begotten throughout human history. Souls, like the moon and stars, continue in existence, in their case because God wills their presence for the purpose of being gathered together at the final judgment. Thus, the continuance being described relates solely to existence, not to life in the sense of divine blessing or communion with God.
Irenaeus further elaborates in Against Heresies 2.34.4:
When God therefore bestows life and perpetual duration, it comes to pass that even souls which did not previously exist should henceforth endure [for ever], since God has both willed that they should exist, and should continue in existence.
So Irenaeus explicitly qualifies this claim: continued existence forever applies only to souls on whom God has conferred both life and perpetual duration. Souls granted life but not perpetual duration are excluded from this category; and indeed the translator has inserted the bracketed phrase “[for ever]” here exclusively because of the context affirming that condition. Furthermore, in the preceding paragraph, Irenaeus says that the ungrateful person does not receive continuance to length of days forever, providing a concrete example of souls with life but not perpetual duration.
Shepherd does not directly present additional arguments, but he cites three passages that he believes contradict the conditionalist interpretation of Irenaeus. All these passages argue that the soul is not mortal; for the sake of brevity, this response will address one representative example. In Against Heresies 5.7.1, Irenaeus states:
Now the breath of life is an incorporeal thing. And certainly they cannot maintain that the very breath of life is mortal. Therefore David says, “My soul also shall live to Him,” just as if its substance were immortal. Neither, on the other hand, can they say that the spirit is the mortal body. What therefore is there left to which we may apply the term “mortal body,” unless it be the thing that was moulded, that is, the flesh, of which it is also said that God will vivify it? For this it is which dies and is decomposed, but not the soul or the spirit. For to die is to lose vital power, and to become henceforth breathless, inanimate, and devoid of motion, and to melt away into those [component parts] from which also it derived the commencement of [its] substance. But this event happens neither to the soul, for it is the breath of life; nor to the spirit, for the spirit is simple and not composite, so that it cannot be decomposed, and is itself the life of those who receive it.
This passage explicitly denies the mortality of the soul, a stance that contrasts with modern conditionalist emphases. However, the difference arises largely from the nuanced way early Christians spoke about mortality. For instance, Theophilus of Antioch describes Adam as “neither … immortal nor yet mortal … but capable of both,”1Theophilus of Antioch, To Autolycus 2.27 reflecting a view in which “mortal” means strictly the inevitability of death, not mere possibility. Similarly, Irenaeus’s affirmation that the soul survives bodily death to experience the intermediate state suggests that for the saved, the soul will never die, and for the unsaved it will not die until the Judgment (Against Heresies 2.34.1). By this nuanced definition, the soul is not “mortal” because it is not certain to die, though neither is it immortal.
Even without this nuance, Irenaeus’s statement here does not contradict his earlier claim that “the soul herself is not life, but partakes in that life bestowed upon her” (Against Heresies 2.34.4). Instead, both reflect his broader effort to refute Gnostic claims and defend the immortality of the flesh granted by God. In Irenaeus’s anthropology, the body is corruptible, while the soul is incorruptible but still dependent on something else for its life. The soul’s participation in eternal life is not by transformation, as the body requires, but by union with the Holy Spirit and the immortal body. Thus, while the soul does not necessarily die, Irenaeus denies that every soul will live forever.
Irenaeus’s definition of “to die” in this passage centers on the loss of vital power, while the subsequent descriptions — becoming breathless, inanimate, and decomposing — he discusses in light of his topic, the body. His statement that the body “dies and is decomposed” clarifies this distinction; decomposition follows death but is not an intrinsic part of dying. Unlike the body, the soul and spirit can not decompose, but the soul can become inanimate due to its life being temporal, and both soul and spirit can be denied continuance in existence. However, when the soul loses its life, when the temporal breath of life runs out of time, it also loses its ability to sustain personal identity and human personhood. This aligns with Irenaeus’s broader teaching that all created things including soul and spirit depend on God’s will for continuance.
Direct Engagement: Alvarado
George Alvarado has written a series of responses to Rethinking Hell, two of which engage directly with Chris Date’s article on Irenaeus. In his first response, Alvarado alleges that Date and Rethinking Hell “conveniently only quote (out of context) parts of” Irenaeus’s chapter while ignoring other relevant material. His proposed solution is to paste the entire chapter into his article, apparently to provide the fuller context. Alvarado claims that in the quoted section, “Irenaeus is simply stating that he believes that the soul can go on forever, and that it does not have to die with the body.”
Irenaeus and his opponents both accept the soul’s survival after bodily death as an axiom, using it as a foundation for their respective arguments. Therefore, the primary focus of the passage does not lie in the claim “that it does not die with the body.” And conditionalists agree that the soul can live on forever (that is, as a possibility, specifically limited to the saved), so neither is that a response. Alvarado’s analysis notably omits the more critical statement from a later paragraph of the same chapter, quoted by Date, where Irenaeus states “concerning the salvation of man” that the grateful will be given life forever, while the ungrateful will be deprived of continuance. It should require no further explanation that a statement made “concerning the salvation of man” is directly relevant to the final fate of humanity. Moreover, the assertion that the ungrateful are deprived of continuance has nothing to do with the soul’s survival after bodily death. When all of those are put together, it follows that Irenaeus’s disagreement with the reincarnationists is that the salvation of man does not imply cycles of rebirth until the soul reaches eternity, but rather implies God giving man eternity through immortality of the body and continued existence of the soul forever — or not.
On the webpage hosting Alvarado’s essay (linked above), a commenter raises this point with a detailed argument. Alvarado dismisses the critique by directing the commenter to a later essay that neither quotes Date nor addresses Irenaeus’s statement about the ungrateful being deprived of continuance. Instead, this essay simply asserts, after referencing other passages, “What else are we to assert? That the body and soul will experience an eternal punishment that is not annihilation!” This approach is fundamentally circular, as it assumes the conclusion — that eternal punishment excludes annihilation — without engaging with the specific passage that challenges this interpretation. Notably, Date’s article is titled “Deprived of Continuance,” underscoring the importance of this phrase to his interpretation of Irenaeus. Given that Alvarado’s primary critique of Date hinges on the claim that “Chris only quotes pieces of the Irenaeus’ work” [sic], it is a material omission that Alvarado fails to address the passage Date highlights as central to his argument.
In his second article addressing Chris Date’s interpretation of Irenaeus, George Alvarado critiques Date’s claims by closely analyzing Irenaeus’s language in Against Heresies 4.39–40. Alvarado draws particular attention to Irenaeus describing final punishment as a place, citing the following passage:
Submission to God is eternal rest, so that they who shun the light have a place worthy of their flight; and those who fly from eternal rest, have a habitation in accordance with their fleeing.
Alvarado highlights the terminology of “place” and “habitation,” and further underscores words such as “inhabiting” and “abode” in another quote from the same passage:
So those who fly from the eternal light of God, which contains in itself all good things, are themselves the cause to themselves of their inhabiting eternal darkness, destitute of all good things, having become to themselves the cause of [their consignment to] an abode of that nature.
In these chapters, Irenaeus explicitly connects this place to the “furnace of fire” (referencing the final judgment described in Matthew 13) and the “outer darkness,” making it clear that he is addressing the final judgment rather than a temporary intermediate state. Alvarado’s argument is thus well rooted in the observation that a place described as eternal, in which individuals inhabit, dwell, and abide, implies the co-eternity of its inhabitants with that place. This challenge is a reasonable one, and its premises are true.
But an equally reasonable counterclaim emerges: the passage is deeply metaphorical, employing imagery such as “light” to represent the presence of God’s goodness and “darkness” to signify its absence. The terms “habitation” and “abode” align with this metaphorical framework, symbolizing the final state caused by separation from God, that is, destitution of all good things. Crucially, Irenaeus elsewhere identifies continuance in life and existence as among the good things bestowed by God, implying that the loss of all good things includes the loss of life itself.
To support the claim that this language is metaphorical, it is necessary to examine the immediate context. In Against Heresies 4.38.1, Irenaeus begins an extended metaphor comparing humanity to infants who cannot yet consume strong food or endure bright light. This metaphor underscores the transformative role of partaking in God’s likeness to attain immortality. He writes:
[the Lord] came to us, not as He might have come, but as we were capable of beholding Him. He might easily have come to us in His immortal glory, but in that case we could never have endured the greatness of the glory; and therefore it was that He, who was the perfect bread of the Father, offered Himself to us as milk, [because we were] as infants. He did this when He appeared as a man, that we, being nourished, as it were, from the breast of His flesh, and having, by such a course of milk nourishment, become accustomed to eat and drink the Word of God, may be able also to contain in ourselves the Bread of immortality, which is the Spirit of the Father.
Here, the “bread of immortality” is clearly identified as the Holy Spirit, not literal bread or even the Eucharist, reinforcing the metaphorical framework. In the next paragraph, which concludes 4.38, Irenaeus transitions to a more direct teaching:
For these, [the dumb animals], bring no charge against God for not having made them men; but each one, just as he has been created, gives thanks that he has been created. For we cast blame upon Him, because we have not been made gods from the beginning, but at first merely men, then at length gods; although God has adopted this course out of His pure benevolence, that no one may impute to Him invidiousness or grudgingness. He declares, ‘I have said, Ye are gods; and ye are all sons of the Highest.’ But since we could not sustain the power of divinity, He adds, ‘But ye shall die like men.’”
To ensure there is no misunderstanding, Irenaeus explains this progression with straightforward seriousness:
For it was necessary, at first, that nature should be exhibited; then, after that, that what was mortal should be conquered and swallowed up by immortality, and the corruptible by incorruptibility, and that man should be made after the image and likeness of God, having received the knowledge of good and evil.
This chapter consistently conveys the same message found throughout Irenaeus’s writings: not a description of two separate places for humanity, nor a fate of mere separation plus survival, but rather two distinct outcomes: in one, those who submit to God are drawn into His likeness and attain immortality. In the other, those who rebel against God, unable to bear His sight, cannot even see His likeness (cf. 1 John 3:2; Colossians 3:3–4). Lacking the capacity to partake in God’s eternal nature, they remain temporal and eventually cease to live.
Irenaeus reinforces this message in Against Heresies 4.39.4, where he explains:
[God] prepared fit habitations for both, kindly conferring that light which they desire on those who seek after the light of incorruption, and resort to it; but for the despisers and mockers who avoid and turn themselves away from this light, and who do, as it were, blind themselves, He has prepared darkness suitable to persons who oppose the light…
Here, Irenaeus explicitly identifies the metaphorical “light” as “the light of incorruption,” granted to those who seek it. By contrast, the “darkness” prepared for those whose turning from God’s gentle revelation in the flesh of Jesus is (in a simile, “as it were”) blinding themselves, must correspond to mortality, corruption, and death. Mortality and death, therefore, are the literal realities underlying the metaphorical “abode” described earlier.
This interpretation aligns with similar biblical imagery, such as the “eternal home” in Ecclesiastes 12:5. Furthermore, it encompasses all the consequences of rebellion against God, portraying the abode of darkness as a place not for life but for its absence — a permanent reminder of judgment, much like Hinnom in Jeremiah 31:40, which serves as an eternal memorial named “the valley of corpses and ashes.”
Turning to Against Heresies 4.28.2, Alvarado observes Irenaeus stating that the punishments revealed in the New Testament are “not only temporal, but rendered eternal.” In the same second article, Alvarado interprets this passage to conclude: “Irenaeus semantically links the ideas of punishment, eternity of the fire, the wrath of God, and the increased and enduring nature of the punishment as greater and more enduring than the kinds that were given to cities like Sodom and Gomorrah.”
In fact, the passage Alvarado references does not compare the eternal punishment to Sodom’s past punishment by fire from heaven. Rather his use in Against Heresies 4.28.1 is: “It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrah in the judgment than for that city which did not receive the word of His disciples.” Alvarado misreads this comparison, construing it as a contrast between Sodom’s temporal destruction and the rebels’ eternal punishment. But Irenaeus is comparing the relative severity of punishments experienced during the future day of judgment — a “day” being a finite event — with no mention of either eternal punishment or Sodom’s historical destruction.
Although Alvarado’s interpretation is thus disqualified, the question remains: What does Irenaeus mean by stating that the punishments are “not merely temporal but rendered eternal”? To answer this, a closer examination of the passage in Against Heresies 4.28.2 is necessary:
…we are directed not merely to abstain from evil actions, but even from evil thoughts, and from idle words, and empty talk, and scurrilous-language: thus also the punishment of those who do not believe the Word of God, and despise His advent, and are turned away backwards, is increased; being not merely temporal, but rendered also eternal. For to whomsoever the Lord shall say, “Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire,” these shall be damned2Keep in mind that “damned” has shifted in meaning; the underlying Greek and Latin still only mean to be condemned as in a court judgment, not to be tormented. The English usage, now largely archaic outside of religious contexts, carries vague implications of torment and is often employed idiomatically rather than theologically. for ever…
Having ruled out the possibility that the temporal punishment referenced here pertains to Sodom’s temporal destruction, it remains to determine what Irenaeus intended by comparing “those who despise His advent” with others who experienced lesser and temporal punishment. To find the answer, one must turn to the preceding chapter, Against Heresies 4.27, which contextualizes the contrast.
In Against Heresies 4.27.1, Irenaeus enumerates the past judgments of God against figures such as David and Solomon. He states: “the punishment [declared] in Scripture was sufficient for the ancients in regard to what they did without the Spirit’s guidance.” He concludes: “The Scripture has thus sufficiently reproved him, as the presbyter remarked, in order that no flesh may glory in the sight of the Lord.”
In Against Heresies 4.27.2, Irenaeus elaborates further:
And it is for our instruction that their actions have been committed to writing, that we might know, in the first place, that our God and theirs is one, and that sins do not please Him although committed by men of renown; and in the second place, that we should keep from wickedness. For if these men of old time, who preceded us in the gifts [bestowed upon them], and for whom the Son of God had not yet suffered, when they committed any sin and served fleshly lusts, were rendered objects of such disgrace, what shall the men of the present day suffer, who have despised the Lord’s coming, and become the slaves of their own lusts?
Here, Irenaeus contrasts two categories of sinners. The first includes David, Solomon, and other saints of old whose sins were punished lightly because they lived before the Spirit was given and before Christ’s advent. Their punishments were temporal: they were addressed directly by God, shamed in His presence, and their sins recorded in Scripture for posterity. Yet, Irenaeus sees their sins as overlooked, as evidenced by Irenaeus’s reference to Christ’s descent into Hades: “It was for this reason [the repentance and forgiveness of David and Solomon mentioned immediately previously], too, that the Lord descended into the regions beneath the earth, preaching His advent there also, and [declaring] the remission of sins received by those who believe in Him” (Against Heresies 4.27.2).
The second category comprises those who have encountered Christ, received the Spirit, and then turned away. For these individuals, Irenaeus argues, there will be no second chance. Their punishment is eternal because they have rejected the ultimate revelation of God and the gifts of the Spirit. Irenaeus underscores this by stating, “Christ shall not die again in behalf of those who now commit sin, for death shall no more have dominion over Him” (Against Heresies 4.27.2).
Irenaeus repeats the same teaching that the difference is the possibility of pardon in Demonstration of The Apostolic Teaching 56:
How much better that we had been burned with fire before the Son of God was born, than that, when He was born, we should not have believed on Him. Because for those who died before Christ appeared there is hope that in the judgment of the risen they may obtain salvation, even such as feared God and died in righteousness and had in them the Spirit of God, as the patriarchs and prophets and righteous men. But for those who after Christ’s appearing believed not on Him, there is a vengeance without pardon in the judgment.
This interpretation is further confirmed by Irenaeus’s comparison of the punishments of Old and New Testament apostates—those who canonically did not repent—and his conclusion that these punishments are equal. For Irenaeus, this equivalence demonstrates the continuity of divine justice across the Testaments and refutes the Gnostic claim of a dichotomy between the Old Testament God and the Father of Jesus. In Against Heresies 4.27.4, he provides a list of equal punishments:
As then the unrighteous, the idolaters, and fornicators perished, so also is it now: … And just as then, those who led vicious lives, and put other people astray, were condemned and cast out, so also even now the offending eye is plucked out, and the foot and the hand, lest the rest of the body perish in like manner.
Irenaeus connects these judgments directly to New Testament rebels, observing that the justice meted out in both Testaments is consistent. He extends this parallel in Against Heresies 4.24.2, explicitly linking the punishment of heresy and rebellion:
And the heretics, indeed, who bring strange fire to the altar of God—namely, strange doctrines—shall be burned up by the fire from heaven, as were Nadab and Abiud. But such as rise up in opposition to the truth, and exhort others against the Church of God, remain among those under the world, being swallowed up by an earthquake, even as those who were with Chore [Korah], Dathan, and Abiron. But those who cleave asunder, and separate the unity of the Church, receive from God the same punishment as Jeroboam did.
These examples—from Nadab and Abihu to Korah, Dathan, and Jeroboam—all culminate in death as the penalty for rebellion. Even in cases where the punishment seems less explicit, such as Numbers 16:33, where the earth swallows Korah’s rebellion and they “descend to Sheol alive,” the text confirms this as a penalty of death: “they perished from among the assembly.” This point is reiterated when Numbers 16:38 refers to the entire rebellion’s outcome as occurring “at the cost of their lives,” and the punishment of Jeroboam is summarized in 1 Kings 14:10 and 15:29 as the total destruction of his household. Irenaeus applies this equivalence directly to New Testament rebels, asserting that their punishment remains the same. This equality holds even though the old rebels “only” died: therefore it is not dying that makes a punishment temporal, but rather it is being forgiven.
By making this argument, Irenaeus addresses two key Gnostic claims. First, he refutes the notion of two separate deities — one harsher, the other kinder — by demonstrating that the same God enacts the same judgments across both Testaments. Second, he establishes that the punishments of New Testament rebels are actually greater than those of Old Testament figures such as David and Solomon, not because the Old Testament figures only died, but rather because they were forgiven after their punishment. Together, these points dismantle the Gnostic claim that the Old Testament God is less kind than the Father of Jesus.
Moreover, Irenaeus’s argument relies on the principle that the punishment for unrepentant sin is consistent between the covenants. This is exemplified in Against Heresies 4.20.8, where he states: “Moses declared that God was indeed a consuming fire to the people that transgressed the law, and threatened that God would bring upon them a day of fire.” This argument for equality in divine justice cannot be reconciled with Alvarado’s interpretation, which allows only inequality; but it fits conditional immortality perfectly. In a very real sense, the divine sentence of death read out at the Day of Judgment remands the whole person to the death they already died, while the divine verdict that declares the penitent sinner “righteous” formally repeals the previous event of death.
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Note: This article is part of a series. Part 1 established Irenaeus’s systematic theology as supportive of Conditional Immortality. Part 2 above addressed modern scholars and critics of this view and their interpretations of Irenaeus. Part 3 will explore how Irenaeus fits into the theological life of the church in its historical unfolding.
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William Tanksley Jr.